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explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself here as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as

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well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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Trick or Treat trick or treat Trick or

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Treat Wow

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I see you're really getting in all the

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way this year you're going to car

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Michael Myers mask no kind of so have

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you gotten a full bag of um candy there

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oh hell no a couple of candy apples with

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razors in the center and a bag of crappy

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chupa chupa lollipops named after the

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bloody sucking aliens along the Amazon

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that we've just written about in our

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forthcoming alien bloodlust book mm-hmm

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well don't feel too bad we've we've got

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lots of trick-or-treating to do on

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tonight's explorer in the bazaar and our

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guests have some really spooky stories

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to tell us tonight

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Trick or Treat trick or treat Trick or

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Treat let's get on with the show that's

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right well we've got a spooky story

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night tonight Tim since this is really

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our Halloween episode because next week

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our show will be on November first so

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this is the closest we're going to get

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to Halloween so we've dedicated this

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night to bringing back some of our

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favorite guests and and a new one too to

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regale us with some of their best scary

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stories now

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I love I love new guests I eat them up

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alive oh I'm sure Susan will appreciate

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hear you say that

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because our new guests we've never had

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our own exploring Bazaar before so we're

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gonna let her be first is Susan Fowler

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now Susan runs the official shadow

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people to archives which brings together

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hundreds of witnesses who took the time

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and energy to detail their experiences

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with the mysterious phenomena known as

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the shadow people and her website is

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shadow people dot org and I encourage

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everyone to go and visit it because it's

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I tell you she's collected a lot of

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fascinating stories about the shadow

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people so a Susan thank you very much

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for being with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre well I'm glad to be here

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thank you very much for inviting me Oh

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our pleasure so what do you have for us

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tonight well I have a shadow pertinent

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story that somebody has written to me

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about people you hear that one it's

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called walk into another dimension

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do you mind if I read it oh go right

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the first time I saw a shadow person I

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was quite young around 8 or 9 living in

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a new neighborhood I was on a walk with

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my father and stepmother it was near

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dusk but still very light we approached

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a large hill where the road split into

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two for some reason I decided to go

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around the hill and meet up with my

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gotten lost I turned down a road in the

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direction of our house I began to get a

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very uneasy feeling and started walking

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footsteps it felt like no one was around

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sighs towering dark figure in the middle

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of the road nearly a block away not only

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was it table but lied yet all I could

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make out was a silhouette this struck me

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smoothly he appeared to ply as I got

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closer I could tell he was wearing some

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brim and appeared to be carrying

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doom blocking ever-faster

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of them that's when I realized that

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darkness was no trick of the light

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silhouette of the man out with a pair of

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scissors from the view before me as one

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silhouette there seemed to be some sort

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of distortion I was frozen mid-stride at

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the sight all I did mover my eyes it was

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not as if I was being held down but as

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if something had come up from the ground

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through my body and had routed me to the

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spot all I wanted was to be as far away

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from this thing as possible but he

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feeling as though the dread wasn't

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coming from him but it was as though all

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hopelessness and dread in its wake I

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time had gone off money finally the

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distortion around him started to grow

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and I felt I could move a little I took

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my chance turned and ran and ran and ran

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never looking back not even knowing

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where I was going soon I ran into my dad

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in his car he said they had finished a

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lock and had been looking for me for a

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experience I just went home and laid

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down feeling exhausted now the weirdest

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part of this whole thing was that in the

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five years I lived in that neighborhood

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after that event I never again found a

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road where I met the shadow man that's

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the end of the story but I thought it

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was very creepy that is that's that's a

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good one it almost has kind of like a

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time slip element to it it says in the

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description of the shadow being that he

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talks about is if some part of the

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dimension the shadow person was and has

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somehow cut into our dimension that was

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very a different explanation or

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description I've ever heard of this

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shadow person although I had who others

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like that sound

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this particular story well that's that's

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what I was going to ask is you know with

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the exception of possibly of the you

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know like the dimensional time slip

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element to you is is this story pretty

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close to representational of other

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encounters that people have sent to you

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encounters vary from a hat man to those

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more ghost lights starts figure to a

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vampire or even sort of beings that have

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disproportionately large heads and long

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arms or and other factors but I have

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types of stories where they talk about

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the silhouette that they see as being a

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blade or

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how a whole into the universe or there

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all kinds of descriptions but that's one

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heard one time where somebody saw they

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described it as a ghost cat but said

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way they described it they said it

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looked like that somebody had taken a

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black piece of paper and had cut in a

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cat cut a cat shape out of it cut its

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eyes out and then set it on top of the

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stairs you know that's that's like they

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described it and a lot of these stories

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that I've heard about shadow people you

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the description says the shadow people

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are probably the most interesting part

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of the story and like I said they vary

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but these the ones that are that I like

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cut out of the atmosphere itself others

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the author reserves those are the most

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intriguing because it explains what a

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lot of people say our interdimensional

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entities that could come through somehow

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that makes sense somehow that they're

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punching through to the to our

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dimensions and in their presence they

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are bringing in part of their dimensions

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which to our vision looks like a hole or

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voice or whatever reasons our eyesight

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can't view this properly so because we

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don't have what the wavelength capacity

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to see it now you had your own Shadow

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Man experience when you were in your 20s

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yes I did do you want to give us a brief

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a brief description of what happened yes

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it was it was very brief I had been to a

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haunted youth hospital and Ireland and

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there we had I had bunked with three

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other women in the hostel there was just

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us there was very late September the end

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of the case

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tourist season so this place was ready

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to wrap up and this the wind that the

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weather was just horrible

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to put Ireland whether it's not terribly

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wonderful but anyway we were staying at

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this youth hostel and I discovered I

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woke up in the middle of the night the

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hearing footsteps on coming up wooden

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stairs and I thought it was the Lord

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these are the people that run the youth

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hostel and this guy knew for a fact did

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not live in the youth hostel itself

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which is usually a requirement to be a

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warden this guy lives down the road and

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I never knew but I did learn why this

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was later but anyway the footsteps

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stopped at the top of the stairs right

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outside our to ward and it didn't open

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so I was waiting for him to open the

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door and I didn't hear anything but all

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of a sudden the light came out on the

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other side of the door on the landing

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side and still nothing happened so after

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about 10 minutes I got up and went out

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to the landing and it was just

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absolutely freezing so I looked around I

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didn't see the landlord or the lerton so

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I went back to bed I'd left the light on

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in the landing shut the door and just

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went back to bed less soon as I hit the

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car the light went off and then I I

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don't know the next morning one of the

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women I was staying with who was why I

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was traveling with had told me that she

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had seen a shadow person the first day

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they were there and that had come into

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our room and got to each one of our

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bunks and just stared at us hmm

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and he said she saw it she she set up a

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bed she told it to leave us alone and as

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she was telling me this story the warden

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let's head over heard it and he says

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please don't tell people that story and

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he won't tell anybody about it and she

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says why not he says well I don't that

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ghost really doesn't harm anybody so he

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was examining the goat and the ELSA so

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it was a reason why he didn't stay there

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was because the ghost was too noisy at

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night and so anyway I went home forgot

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about the whole incident and not long

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night I have a light on I was listening

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station on the radio and when I turned

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around there in front of my closet door

274
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was a silhouette of a man standing there

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and of course I wasn't thinking ghosts

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or apparitions I was thinking intruders

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time to panic so I turned around to look

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for a baseball bat they used to keep in

279
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my room but when I look back towards the

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closet door he was gone he was no longer

281
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there and I remember all what a relief I

282
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don't have to protect myself nothing is

283
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fair but habibi cnn's other doors are

284
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all closed it was winter you know so

285
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finally I was so convinced I seen this

286
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intruder that I went all through the

287
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house check the doors windows hiding

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places he could be nobody was in that

289
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house and when I came back into the room

290
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I got two steps into the middle of my

291
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room and I went somebody it's looking at

292
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me

293
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I could tell but I couldn't see him

294
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anymore but I knew that the shadow man

295
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at the door he was still there but I

296
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could no longer see him and don't ask me

297
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how I did it but I jumped into bed

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got the light somehow managed to sleep

299
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and I never have another experience that

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was but it was shake me up I so say one

301
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was enough right all right well Susan we

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need to continue on with our next guest

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but I want you to let our audience know

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where they can find find you online I'm

305
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at shadow people that org o RG the name

306
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of the website is the official shadow

307
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people's archives now we've been around

308
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for 20 years I collect a lot of stories

309
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I'm trying to find collect patterns and

310
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similarities between the stories and

311
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write about them in some place

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so I appreciate anybody sending in

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stories all right fantastic well Susan

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we're gonna have to have you come back

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and have you as yes you know the full

316
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amount of the show so but thank you very

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much for being with us tonight insuring

318
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your stories I enjoyed it thank you very

319
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much Tim all right well hold on the line

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there and we'll get back with you during

321
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the next break so uh Tim why don't we

322
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bring in next your friend Claudia

323
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phoenician well you know Claudia I

324
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haven't spoken to you in an MIB age it's

325
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it's been it's it has been indeed well I

326
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haven't been up to the cemetery we had

327
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planned to have a little adventure up

328
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there in this year but I've had some

329
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problems but maybe we'll celebrate the

330
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charles fort and the comedy world the

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cemetery and location the next season

332
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I did just yeah I did just complete a a

333
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chapter in a book called the alien

334
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bloodlust and it's all about well

335
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Charles fort fort in the fall of flesh

336
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and fish and blood from the from the sky

337
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so we we never forget about the father

338
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of the super super natural he's oh he's

339
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with us but I I'm understand well what

340
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what what's been going on in your

341
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chaotic life I know you sent me an email

342
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not too long ago about the this Albany

343
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State House being haunted

344
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was that the capital I don't know if

345
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that was capital capital that's nothing

346
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yeah well the capital building here in

347
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New York Albany New York New York City I

348
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took a tour there recently and it is

349
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haunted it's very well documented

350
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there was a worker there and I believe

351
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it was the 20s or 30s and a fire broke

352
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out in the middle of the night and he

353
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was killed people see him all the time

354
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right to this day and he appears around

355
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dusk just as people are kind of getting

356
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ready to leave for the night and he's

357
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very friendly and he'll kind of nod to

358
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people you know if I saw that I probably

359
00:18:57,690 --> 00:18:55,060
drop dead but it is very well documented

360
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I think that's what I wrote to you about

361
00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:00,040
I'm not sure there's just so much

362
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craziness up here this is a very haunted

363
00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:07,030
area and I didn't realize it until what

364
00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:08,530
was it about ten years ago when I wrote

365
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to you about my friend's experience that

366
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Albany royal cemetery and I kind of dug

367
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into the lore of the area and different

368
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hauntings and you know the more I speak

369
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:22,870
to people even friends acquaintances

370
00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:25,600
people will open up to you I find if you

371
00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:27,550
broached the subject you know very

372
00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:30,340
gingerly about the paranormal and if you

373
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confide in them they kind of open up and

374
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:35,800
I've learned quite a bit I know one

375
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thing and I could talk all night but I

376
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:42,210
have just a few stories here well true

377
00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:46,570
you know Heidi Hollis well true it yes

378
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:49,060
true is what we like yes

379
00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:51,010
oh yeah only the truth even though it's

380
00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:54,790
strange I listen to her but you know I

381
00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:56,830
can go her when better we had a goatman

382
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here in Albany

383
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I was friend

384
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:04,180
with three Russian sisters and this was

385
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in the very early 70s and they were

386
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extremely religious and very very good

387
00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:13,240
honest people and they had a lifetime of

388
00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:17,320
really strange happenings and the one

389
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incident I never forgot it

390
00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:21,760
they were two of the sisters were coming

391
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home in the early hours probably three

392
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or four in the morning after a night of

393
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clubbing in Albany they were out you

394
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know hitting the bars like young people

395
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do and they lived in and and some of us

396
00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:34,780
older folks there was some of his older

397
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folks we still we still get around right

398
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:39,880
Tim that's right and they were coming

399
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home and was in the early hours and you

400
00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:45,010
know Dawn was just breaking and they saw

401
00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:47,380
a very strange man on the sidewalk

402
00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:50,920
nobody else around but this guy and he

403
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:53,710
had like a trench coat on and a funny

404
00:20:58,890 --> 00:20:55,480
little hat okay

405
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,900
and they said gee he looks odd there's

406
00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:01,360
something weird about him and then they

407
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looked down and he was working above the

408
00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:06,520
sidewalk and he had are you ready for

409
00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:10,360
this cloven hoofs not feet but cloven

410
00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:15,700
hoof and I thought well you know come on

411
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but the more I got to know these people

412
00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:22,120
that I mean they're the absolute epitome

413
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of truth and I thought well you know in

414
00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:30,220
black magic and witchcraft Lucifer will

415
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:33,100
sometimes appear as a goat and I thought

416
00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:35,640
well who did they really see that night

417
00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:39,640
you know and so that was one story they

418
00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:44,470
told and the one the oldest girl does or

419
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:46,120
their grandmother passed away after a

420
00:21:51,450 --> 00:21:49,570
very long illness and Maria was so upset

421
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:51,460
she couldn't go to the cemetery and she

422
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:54,310
opted to stay home and she was sitting

423
00:21:58,770 --> 00:21:56,110
under a lamp reading a book and the

424
00:22:01,230 --> 00:21:58,780
doorbell rang and she looked out and

425
00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:01,240
there was her dead grandmother and she

426
00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:04,510
looked very sick and she actually spoke

427
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,150
to her and she said you're Maria you're

428
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:10,480
you're very ill see a doctor and the

429
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:14,159
next day Maria's appendix

430
00:22:20,669 --> 00:22:17,080
okay so that's another one same family

431
00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:20,679
and the third sister her name was Chris

432
00:22:30,659 --> 00:22:26,429
is Chris they had a very Randy kind of

433
00:22:33,749 --> 00:22:30,669
wild living uncle who passed away after

434
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,759
a life of debauchery and every other

435
00:22:39,570 --> 00:22:35,679
wine woman and so on he wasn't too

436
00:22:43,019 --> 00:22:39,580
religious and one night Chris had a

437
00:22:46,019 --> 00:22:43,029
vision of him standing at the foot of

438
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:46,029
her bed and he was up to flames

439
00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:49,210
he had flames up to his waist and he

440
00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:53,769
said please pray for me so she was

441
00:23:00,060 --> 00:22:56,590
pretty shaken up and she went and saw

442
00:23:02,489 --> 00:23:00,070
her priest the next day and she

443
00:23:05,099 --> 00:23:02,499
explained in my uncle you know he needs

444
00:23:08,489 --> 00:23:05,109
prayer so they had a divine liturgy

445
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:08,499
liturgy said for him which is the same

446
00:23:12,539 --> 00:23:10,450
as the mass in the Catholic Church only

447
00:23:16,619 --> 00:23:12,549
this was the Russian Orthodox same thing

448
00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:16,629
and a couple weeks later she had another

449
00:23:21,690 --> 00:23:18,340
vision of him and he was fine and he

450
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:21,700
thanked her but that wasn't all one

451
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:24,129
night she went to a bar up and latham

452
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:27,580
which is near Albany and she was out

453
00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:28,840
with friends and they were at the bar

454
00:23:34,889 --> 00:23:32,200
and who was there but this man's son and

455
00:23:38,249 --> 00:23:34,899
the man's son was wearing the exact same

456
00:23:41,369 --> 00:23:38,259
outfit as the father were in her vision

457
00:23:43,379 --> 00:23:41,379
which was a really wild tie and a kind

458
00:23:45,779 --> 00:23:43,389
of an outfit that you wouldn't see you

459
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:45,789
know a lot of all right Claudia I'm

460
00:23:49,229 --> 00:23:47,049
gonna have to interrupt you here so you

461
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:49,239
can get to your story after we come back

462
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:51,570
from our break so stay tuned for more

463
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:56,270
scary stories on exploring the bizarre

464
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,419
now back to exploring the bazaars with

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00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,000
two of the most electrifying researchers

466
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:06,299
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

467
00:24:14,539 --> 00:24:12,480
Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

468
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:14,549
exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz and

469
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,720
it's key story night on exploring the

470
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,720
bazaar and we had to we had to interrupt

471
00:24:26,419 --> 00:24:24,480
Claudia Cunningham unfortunately to go

472
00:24:29,779 --> 00:24:26,429
to our bottom of the hour break so

473
00:24:33,769 --> 00:24:29,789
Claudia why don't you continue where you

474
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:33,779
left off if you didn't remember well I

475
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:37,440
have three brief little tales here about

476
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:40,700
haunted establishments in this area and

477
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:44,610
the first one is Professor java's

478
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:48,630
coffeehouse and cafe on wolf Road in

479
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:52,679
Albany and this is haunted there is no

480
00:24:57,889 --> 00:24:54,090
two ways about it

481
00:24:59,720 --> 00:24:57,899
a friend told me about the hauntings

482
00:25:02,539 --> 00:24:59,730
probably about 10 years ago I think they

483
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:02,549
had just opened up and she had been in

484
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,169
there with a friend and heard a baby

485
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,080
crying and it kept crying and crying but

486
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:09,299
there was no baby in the place so she

487
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:12,390
asked the waitress and she said oh

488
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,970
that's the spirit baby she said this

489
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:17,760
place was built on a Indian burial

490
00:25:24,139 --> 00:25:22,110
ground the entire wolf Road area and she

491
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:24,149
said this happens all the time so of

492
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:25,980
course I'm going to go and see for

493
00:25:32,779 --> 00:25:29,580
myself and I did hear a dog bark during

494
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:32,789
my lunch and I asked the barmaid and she

495
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:35,130
said oh that's another you know spirit

496
00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:37,049
dog you know people hear it all the time

497
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:41,309
and she went on to tell me that at dusk

498
00:25:46,399 --> 00:25:44,100
I think is it dusk or early in the very

499
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:46,409
early hours when someone is there to

500
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:50,520
open up things fly off the bar bottles

501
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:54,600
break crockery dishes everything goes

502
00:25:58,820 --> 00:25:57,330
flying through the air and she said the

503
00:26:00,740 --> 00:25:58,830
action always takes place after

504
00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:00,750
everybody leaves and there was like one

505
00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:03,870
or two people there and in the basement

506
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,630
people have gone down there to you know

507
00:26:09,290 --> 00:26:08,700
do whatever they do and somebody will

508
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:09,300
push the

509
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:13,730
or pinch them and on their derriere and

510
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,840
another thing that they see there is a

511
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:19,980
dark-skinned woman they think is an

512
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:22,460
Indian that comes in the back door and

513
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:25,710
takes a sharp left into a room called

514
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:28,410
the library and it looks like a little

515
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,510
library it's like a private room if you

516
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:32,940
want to go and kind of be by yourself

517
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:36,450
and you know want some privacy and when

518
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,010
they go back there of course no one is

519
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,520
ever there so they said that if you will

520
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:43,200
if you really want to see the action

521
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:45,570
come by around 2:00 in the morning and

522
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:47,610
go down in the basement and you know

523
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,250
what kinds of weird things happen so

524
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:52,860
that's one thing now

525
00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:55,290
the other place that is extremely

526
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,030
haunted if you want to go up the North

527
00:27:03,380 --> 00:26:59,520
way about 30 miles up to Saratoga

528
00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:03,390
Springs New York it's a place called the

529
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:06,870
old Brian in it was built in the late

530
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,400
1700s Saratoga of course is known for

531
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:13,620
its famous racetrack and great

532
00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:15,810
restaurants by the way and beautiful

533
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,950
scenery it's kind of the Gateway to the

534
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:21,360
Adirondack Mountain regions the

535
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:25,380
Adirondack Park and and this place is

536
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:29,130
well known haunt its restaurant it's um

537
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:33,690
brick and stone establishment and there

538
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,210
was a rumor or Adolphe it's a legend

539
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,820
that George Washington had stopped there

540
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,760
with Alexander Hamilton on the way to

541
00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:43,740
the Saratoga battlefield during the

542
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:47,420
Revolutionary War and I had spoken to

543
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:51,360
different people who work there and what

544
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:55,110
they have one old lady usually after

545
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:57,210
everybody leaves that has been seen

546
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:00,720
floating down the staircase and she has

547
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:04,230
a long green dress white hair with kind

548
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,110
of a bun on top of her head and very

549
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:08,940
very sweet like like your old grandma

550
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:12,450
and she just kind of floats away and you

551
00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:14,160
know kind of dissipates right in front

552
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:16,820
of you and if you go to the ladies room

553
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:21,120
people have seen a revolutionary soldier

554
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,830
on a white horse

555
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:24,600
I don't know about you but that would

556
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:27,260
probably do me and but it's been seen

557
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:30,690
numerous times so of course every time I

558
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:32,010
go there I always run up to the bathroom

559
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:34,590
and see if I can get me a good-looking

560
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:36,330
soldier but so far no luck

561
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,860
anyway I am hopeful so well maybe you

562
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,360
get the white horse if nothing else

563
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,760
right okay well that's right I always

564
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:47,070
wanted a pony so but anyway

565
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:49,950
and the third place is called Beardslee

566
00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:54,240
castle and this is to the west of Albany

567
00:29:03,080 --> 00:28:58,950
out toward Utica Syracuse out that way

568
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:03,090
again it was built in the early 1900s

569
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:06,659
and I had two very good friends when

570
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:08,850
just passed away actually a couple days

571
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:10,919
ago god bless her but there were twins

572
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:13,980
and they went out there for dinner one

573
00:29:19,399 --> 00:29:16,110
night and this was probably fifteen

574
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,409
years ago I think and after dinner they

575
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:22,320
went down into the basement or now well

576
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:24,330
downstairs where the ladies room was was

577
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:27,480
down on the lower floor and they were

578
00:29:32,779 --> 00:29:29,340
you know combing their hair and chatting

579
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,789
and in came these two girls there were

580
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,980
14 or 15 years old maybe and they had

581
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:37,919
white caps on long white dresses and

582
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:41,340
aprons and they spoke to them and when

583
00:29:45,399 --> 00:29:43,350
they said oh you're very cute and you

584
00:29:48,019 --> 00:29:45,409
know they had little conversation and

585
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:48,029
the girls went back up to the table and

586
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:51,779
they call for the manager and they said

587
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:53,730
I want to compliment you there it's a

588
00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:56,370
nice little touch you know with the

589
00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,250
serving girls they look like they worked

590
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,010
here like in the 1700s and he said oh no

591
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:03,840
I don't have anybody like that here

592
00:30:09,019 --> 00:30:06,690
he said oh you mean the ghosts they says

593
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:09,029
oh no they're seen a lot they're

594
00:30:14,779 --> 00:30:12,450
friendly they won't bother you so I had

595
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:14,789
joined a paranormal group about that

596
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:17,130
time and we took a field trip out there

597
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:21,360
and we had a seance and I was so

598
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:23,450
disappointed because nothing happened

599
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:26,760
but I still hope to go out there at

600
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,010
least one more time and maybe Kim would

601
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:30,720
be interested in that taking a field

602
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:34,200
trip but at some point I don't know we

603
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:35,910
might

604
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:38,370
if I'm if I'm up to it I would more than

605
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,840
be happy to okay bring your your video

606
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:44,460
camera and who knows what we're gonna

607
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:50,310
find and okay and one other thing I

608
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,270
wanted to tell you I go to dinner with

609
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,000
my high school friends there's about 20

610
00:31:03,710 --> 00:30:59,880
of us we go out every month and my one

611
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:03,720
friend is an artist from up in Bryant

612
00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:07,530
Lake up in Adirondack Park and he was

613
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:09,990
always very smart in school kind of

614
00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:12,510
Engineers mind and he kind of a

615
00:31:17,150 --> 00:31:15,540
no-nonsense type of guy and of course

616
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:17,160
they know I'm into all this crazy stuff

617
00:31:24,530 --> 00:31:20,370
and he always calls me the tinfoil hat

618
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:24,540
lady okay what that's okay and so a

619
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:27,150
couple months ago he walked up to me and

620
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:28,350
he says I would like to sit with you

621
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:29,700
tonight because I wanted to up to you

622
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:33,570
about something I said okay and he went

623
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:35,730
on to tell me he says my life has

624
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:37,920
changed and he said you're probably the

625
00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:39,990
only one here that I could talk to he

626
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:42,180
says my wife won't even want to you know

627
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,290
discuss it but he said my sister passed

628
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,440
away recently and I guess she had been

629
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:51,360
sick I think she had MS or something

630
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,960
like that

631
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,600
and they were very very tight very close

632
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,460
I remember him on the school bus years

633
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:57,360
ago and they were always sitting

634
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:58,230
together always

635
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:01,500
you know inseparable and he said I was

636
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:03,570
so grief ridden or you know grief

637
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,370
stricken that I I couldn't concentrate

638
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:08,100
on anything so he said one night I got

639
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:10,170
up and I had a feeling I should go out

640
00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:11,940
onto the deck which overlooks this

641
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:15,870
beautiful lake and he said I had a

642
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:17,910
feeling that somebody was watching me he

643
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,650
says when I turned around he said there

644
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,960
was my sister right in front of me he

645
00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:24,210
said it wasn't a shadow it was an a you

646
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:27,960
know apparition he said it was her you

647
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:31,260
know a full-body apparition whatever you

648
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:33,450
want to call it and she actually came

649
00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:36,090
over and hugged him and called him by

650
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:40,560
his pet name and he said that wasn't the

651
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,270
only thing he said a couple nights after

652
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:44,220
he says I went out looking for her and

653
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:45,900
he said she was there and he said there

654
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:49,020
was my mother and father so he was

655
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:49,600
pretty shaky

656
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:51,250
but he says my whole life has changed

657
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,289
everything I ever believed and he says I

658
00:32:57,539 --> 00:32:55,120
thought this was that you know you were

659
00:33:00,330 --> 00:32:57,549
born you go to work you get your

660
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:00,340
retirement you know check didn't he die

661
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:03,730
and that he said now I know that we

662
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:06,940
don't know anything he said he says I'll

663
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:09,700
never call you a tinfoil hat lady

664
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:15,039
so that was recently okay and another

665
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:17,110
one other thing of like if I just could

666
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:20,620
bring one other thing up excuse me

667
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:21,659
excuse me

668
00:33:37,289 --> 00:33:31,049
Oh see there there you go

669
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:37,299
proof of the paranormal right there Wow

670
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:40,980
hmm excuse me Wow that's our father oh

671
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:46,840
okay Susan I was mentioning the shadow

672
00:33:56,669 --> 00:33:52,570
people and he was me Wow about 25 years

673
00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:56,679
ago I had my own apartment and my friend

674
00:34:00,419 --> 00:33:58,360
and I used to get the Ouija board out

675
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:00,429
which was a big mistake folks don't ever

676
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:02,169
do that because it's like opening the

677
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,950
door to you have no idea and a lot of

678
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:07,600
strange things started happening in my

679
00:34:14,609 --> 00:34:12,030
life but my my girlfriend was seeing a

680
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:14,619
guy and the two of them used to come

681
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:18,490
over on the weekend and hang out and we

682
00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:20,080
were sitting in the living room was must

683
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:21,669
have been after 1:00 2:00 o'clock in the

684
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:23,530
morning and I just had a candle burning

685
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:24,790
and we were having a couple of drinks

686
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:29,230
and Tom said he looked out toward the

687
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,010
kitchen and he said is there a man here

688
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:35,440
and I said I wish you know what do we

689
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:37,690
talk about he said it looks like there's

690
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,570
a man standing there there is a man

691
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,730
standing it said I I don't there is a

692
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:44,560
man standing under the clock in your

693
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:48,399
kitchen so I said no you've had too much

694
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:50,080
to drink I said there's nobody there's

695
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:52,450
just the three of us here so I thought

696
00:34:59,700 --> 00:34:55,600
that was kind of odd but at the time I

697
00:35:01,590 --> 00:34:59,710
was seeing a person I had a couple of

698
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:01,600
dates with him that was it but he came

699
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:03,460
over to my apartment

700
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:05,890
and he they didn't know each other this

701
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:08,470
time and John the guy I was going out

702
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:11,890
with and John didn't know anything about

703
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:14,050
ghosts or anything I mean he couldn't

704
00:35:19,049 --> 00:35:15,700
care less about that stuff but we're on

705
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:19,059
the couch and he said Claudia says you

706
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:20,770
have a man in this apartment he said

707
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:22,210
look at he said there's a man in your

708
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:24,760
kitchen so of course I went out Krista

709
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:27,609
wasn't anything at all so what I think

710
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:29,530
happened I'm you know with a Ouija board

711
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,720
I think I conjured up something and I

712
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:33,849
reminded me when Susan talked about the

713
00:35:39,059 --> 00:35:36,190
shadow people you know was that

714
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,069
something along those lines and a couple

715
00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:41,920
of nights so years ago I I was held down

716
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:46,119
in my bed by a shadow shadow a person it

717
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,250
was like I wasn't quite asleep and I

718
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:49,839
wasn't quite awake but I was aware of

719
00:35:56,549 --> 00:35:52,300
what was going on in the room and he

720
00:36:01,290 --> 00:35:56,559
held my or it held my wrists down and

721
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:01,300
they were right on top of me and I said

722
00:36:05,849 --> 00:36:03,550
well you know I'm just you know I can't

723
00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:05,859
talk my everything is like I couldn't

724
00:36:11,789 --> 00:36:08,589
move and I thought I have to say that

725
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:11,799
name because that kind of you know takes

726
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,569
care of anything you will and I tried to

727
00:36:18,299 --> 00:36:16,000
say Jesus help me and I couldn't get

728
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:18,309
that name out so I did it phonetically I

729
00:36:26,099 --> 00:36:21,790
said gee does right and this thing just

730
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:26,109
went away never came back so how was

731
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:30,040
them apples pretty good huh that

732
00:36:36,089 --> 00:36:33,630
actually happened well apples apples

733
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:36,099
apples with razors in it that's what

734
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:38,380
we're trying to avoid this evening yeah

735
00:36:45,059 --> 00:36:41,650
yeah are you boys going to see Halloween

736
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:45,069
are you going to I saw III I saw it

737
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:45,609
already

738
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:50,619
in fact Tim Schwartz's are Michael Myers

739
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:52,900
for the evening well you know I like the

740
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,420
original better anything that's gone

741
00:37:02,099 --> 00:36:58,480
through 15 there's 16 AB 15 or 16

742
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:02,109
episodes you know it's it's got to be a

743
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:06,670
mortar down a little bit but it it was

744
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:09,760
fine you know I I did tell people about

745
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,040
seeing it had made a tremendous amount

746
00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:13,839
of money like 80 million dollars which

747
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:17,080
was the largest

748
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:20,290
opening with a female lead ever in the

749
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:24,190
box office for hard yeah well I long in

750
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:26,200
the tooth Oh for you know chasing after

751
00:37:30,359 --> 00:37:29,170
monsters isn't she well I I guess but my

752
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,369
god how many times that scene

753
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:33,280
resurrected himself I mean that you know

754
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:36,520
what's what's for the what's good for

755
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:38,920
the goose is good for the shotgun

756
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:41,770
burying a lab and or whatever I guess

757
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:47,080
all right Claudia all right Claudia save

758
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:49,360
me a spot up there in the rural Albany

759
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:54,430
Cemetery and on a near at Charles forts

760
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:56,920
maybe we could net just to use a little

761
00:38:06,840 --> 00:37:59,980
bit of his burial ground therefore I'm

762
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:06,850
physically next time into you both happy

763
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,810
Halloween Thank You audience really do

764
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:16,320
that Thank You Emily

765
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:19,660
alright welcome now let's let's bring a

766
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:23,320
Paul Dale Roberts who's been patiently

767
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:25,930
or impatiently I don't know waiting in

768
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:28,150
the wings for his for his go at

769
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:32,140
tonight's us boo he story nights how you

770
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,510
doing well well well thank you my

771
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:40,240
goodness good good to hear that around

772
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,670
this time of a year or any time of the

773
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,280
year it's gotten a little bit too chilly

774
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:47,440
and the pumpkin is out I'm just gonna

775
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,230
say on the lawn I'm a lawn I got I got a

776
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:53,440
you know skyscrapers all around me and I

777
00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:56,170
had lots of cement although we've got a

778
00:39:03,150 --> 00:38:59,650
vacant lot next door I guess we could

779
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:03,160
grow a few pumpkins in in there I don't

780
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:04,540
know what you're planning to do was it

781
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:06,700
making lot it's the only one in the

782
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:09,070
entire island of Manhattan I think

783
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:13,450
that's left and then boy do I love that

784
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,369
book screwed by the aliens well Mary

785
00:39:22,859 --> 00:39:20,400
there you go you know we've got one

786
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:22,869
coming out I think I mentioned earlier

787
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:26,590
in the evening by Scott Corrales II is

788
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:29,290
the main contributor

789
00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:30,940
it's called alien

790
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:34,300
bloodlust are there vampires in space

791
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,400
and this is you know we do we do our

792
00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:41,200
homework you know I mean there are some

793
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,200
crazy theories out there but you know we

794
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:46,260
don't sit here and make this stuff up

795
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,569
it's you know based on research of you

796
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:51,420
know we have looking best contributors

797
00:39:56,970 --> 00:39:55,390
going and that includes you so it tell

798
00:40:02,400 --> 00:39:56,980
us a scary story poll

799
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:02,410
oh my scariest story

800
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:06,250
well you know let me oh well first off

801
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,500
let me tell you about this one we did

802
00:40:13,859 --> 00:40:10,480
this investigation in Rancho Cordova

803
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:13,869
which is near Sacramento and there was a

804
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,260
ghost there by the name of Emily we

805
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:20,079
actually capture some EVPs of a woman

806
00:40:29,790 --> 00:40:25,030
talking but what was so unusual about

807
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,800
that investigation is the fact that one

808
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:33,040
of the investigators this guy he goes he

809
00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:34,780
goes I don't know what's wrong with me

810
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:37,180
yes all some of my energy is just

811
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:40,569
drained here's I have to sit down I feel

812
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:43,810
like I'm gonna pass out I said okay sit

813
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:44,230
down

814
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:46,750
and then we started thinking I said you

815
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:49,180
know because the occupants was telling

816
00:40:57,089 --> 00:40:54,310
us that Emily draining energy from the

817
00:40:59,309 --> 00:40:57,099
occupants so I was thinking while

818
00:41:05,220 --> 00:40:59,319
Emily's probably draining the energy

819
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:05,230
from this guy so I said Emily and we had

820
00:41:11,819 --> 00:41:07,900
three cameras three investigators four

821
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:11,829
three three cameras I said Emily I said

822
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:14,920
if you're here and if you like this guy

823
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,630
I should kiss them and I told all three

824
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:22,000
investigators with their cameras to take

825
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:25,990
a picture and when we looked at the

826
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:29,980
pictures there was an orb on his mouth

827
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:33,790
and that showed intelligent movement it

828
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:38,050
was like wow this is so cool and I said

829
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:41,710
you're listening to me sit on his lap in

830
00:41:47,319 --> 00:41:43,910
the org

831
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,329
started hovering over his lap and we

832
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:50,000
caught it on three cameras so that

833
00:41:54,609 --> 00:41:51,349
definitely showed some kind of

834
00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:54,619
intelligent movement and we classified

835
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,470
that as paranormal but that's not my

836
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,079
scary story the scary story happened in

837
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:03,440
Citrus Heights right when I was a young

838
00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:06,260
kernel investigator I've been now on

839
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:10,099
over a thousand investigations and I've

840
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:13,160
seen four full-body apparitions during

841
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:16,210
all my investigations so that's a rarity

842
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:19,400
but in Citrus Heights that was probably

843
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:22,490
my best one as a new pen dermal

844
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:24,970
investigator sure I was hearing EVPs and

845
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:29,690
everything else but I had my doubts and

846
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,230
I was very much a skeptic and I almost

847
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:35,599
gave up being a paranormal investigator

848
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:38,589
because I didn't find the evidence as

849
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:43,430
being true evidence to me then one day

850
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:44,750
that made me a believer

851
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:47,089
we did this investigation of Citrus

852
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:52,190
Heights and we had 15 Scouts in the

853
00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:54,170
scouts our carnival investigators in

854
00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:58,430
training and so I put five in one room

855
00:43:07,029 --> 00:43:00,950
five in another room five in another

856
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,039
room well ten of them in two rooms were

857
00:43:11,950 --> 00:43:08,720
about ready to fall asleep because

858
00:43:13,299 --> 00:43:11,960
nothing was happening and I walked into

859
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:13,309
the other bedroom with five

860
00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:18,260
investigators and you can hear a little

861
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:22,099
girl giggling and I said I was just

862
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:25,010
totally amazed I said well I said can

863
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:26,420
you hear that they said yeah Moo

864
00:43:33,130 --> 00:43:30,140
recording it I said Wow and they said

865
00:43:36,099 --> 00:43:33,140
giggles again I said she's no more than

866
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:36,109
three feet in front of me I can't see

867
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:38,569
her but she's got to be sitting on the

868
00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:43,400
corner of this bed and she giggles again

869
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:46,339
and I put my head down towards the

870
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:50,420
giggle and I said hello and she goes

871
00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:56,390
hello boom I was a total believer and

872
00:44:01,390 --> 00:43:58,730
I said okay this is really a

873
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:01,400
breakthrough I said let's get all the

874
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:03,500
investigators in this bedroom let's do a

875
00:44:11,769 --> 00:44:09,130
little seance so we do little seance and

876
00:44:15,009 --> 00:44:11,779
if I had a stack of Bibles I would put

877
00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:15,019
my hand on it but with 15 investigators

878
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,220
while their Scouts the wall sound like

879
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:20,839
they were ripping apart it sounded like

880
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:22,460
something like the cinah bytes and

881
00:44:27,759 --> 00:44:25,190
Hellraiser coming through the walls it

882
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:27,769
they were just it sound just like they

883
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:29,960
were ripping apart and then there was a

884
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:33,260
series of heavy knocks on the walls well

885
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:35,750
at that time all fifteen Scouts are

886
00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:37,250
running out the door

887
00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:42,200
scared to be Jesus and I said hey guy

888
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,119
said get back in here I mean this

889
00:44:51,339 --> 00:44:48,079
breaker we got to continue with this so

890
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:51,349
finally I got them all back and we had

891
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:53,480
three walkie talkies on the floor and

892
00:44:59,289 --> 00:44:56,260
all on the same Channel

893
00:45:01,960 --> 00:44:59,299
then all of a sudden one of the

894
00:45:05,499 --> 00:45:01,970
walkie-talkie turns on and it's a man's

895
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:05,509
voice and it's very deep and he goes get

896
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:08,750
out all fifteen Scouts are running out

897
00:45:14,829 --> 00:45:11,240
the door out of those fifteen Scouts

898
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:14,839
only two remained and came paranormal

899
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:18,559
investigators anyway the occupant she's

900
00:45:22,359 --> 00:45:20,329
talking to me and she goes hey Paul you

901
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:22,369
know I have to live here

902
00:45:26,799 --> 00:45:24,859
she goes you got to send these people

903
00:45:29,289 --> 00:45:26,809
home you're welcome to stay in this

904
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:29,299
bedroom I said really ok this is

905
00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:30,230
fantastic

906
00:45:36,789 --> 00:45:35,029
ok great so I sent all 15 home and I

907
00:45:40,269 --> 00:45:36,799
stayed in the bathroom they had video

908
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:40,279
camera running and I was pretty tired

909
00:45:46,509 --> 00:45:43,910
and I fell asleep pretty fast well while

910
00:45:49,299 --> 00:45:46,519
it was running you can hear a woman's

911
00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:49,309
voice a tall haw-haw

912
00:45:55,269 --> 00:45:51,380
almost like she was trying to wake me up

913
00:45:58,269 --> 00:45:55,279
and then there was a small town on the

914
00:46:01,529 --> 00:45:58,279
cabinets there was a child moaning at

915
00:46:04,809 --> 00:46:01,539
the foot of the bed and there was a man

916
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:04,819
grumbling and we got this all on tape

917
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:07,220
but these were Scouts

918
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:10,310
of the scouts they were saying they're

919
00:46:14,349 --> 00:46:12,170
gonna copyright it and everything else

920
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,359
and they wouldn't release the offence to

921
00:46:20,589 --> 00:46:17,359
me so I never worked with scouts again

922
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:20,599
that that was the main thing that really

923
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:24,740
you know made me a believer and then I'm

924
00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:27,290
always looking a light like the stars

925
00:46:38,589 --> 00:46:29,150
with a foot like this stuff is worth a

926
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,599
fortune right hold out for the History

927
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:40,880
Channel at least so put your image up or

928
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:45,200
something yeah that's what people people

929
00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:49,490
always used to say they took the UFO you

930
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:52,220
know a photographs of 100 Ascended send

931
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:53,810
them to me when I was at in a UFO

932
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:56,090
universe and they wanted enormous

933
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:56,960
amounts of money

934
00:47:03,190 --> 00:46:59,330
and in those days they could pay you 25

935
00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:03,200
bucks if it's any good you know that was

936
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:05,480
worth what a good UFO photo would that

937
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:07,970
was and now they're all up on YouTube so

938
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:12,740
what are you going to do hey Tim where I

939
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,690
get ready to go to our break here so but

940
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:17,119
I want to let Paul a little audience

941
00:47:21,849 --> 00:47:18,950
know where they can find out more about

942
00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:21,859
him online okay

943
00:47:27,339 --> 00:47:24,020
my group is called halo paranormal

944
00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:27,349
investigations but I'm very Google bolso

945
00:47:32,859 --> 00:47:30,260
and all my information telephone number

946
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:32,869
email address everything if you just

947
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:37,160
google my name Paul Dale Roberts you'll

948
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:39,290
see some of my stories at Costa Rica

949
00:47:46,329 --> 00:47:43,609
times and who knows the cover of scroot

950
00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:46,339
by the aliens they'll pop up yeah yeah

951
00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:49,670
yeah yeah gotta get the gun but not to

952
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:52,099
get that book I'm just looking here I am

953
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:54,440
I have to go to we have to go right now

954
00:47:58,359 --> 00:47:55,609
okay

955
00:48:08,559 --> 00:47:58,369
right backs need to push me back into

956
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:12,829
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

957
00:48:18,799 --> 00:48:15,529
ride into the world of the paranoid

958
00:48:21,849 --> 00:48:18,809
strap yourself in as we traverse the

959
00:48:26,229 --> 00:48:21,859
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

960
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,239
of ghosts Lost Worlds

961
00:48:32,449 --> 00:48:28,619
cryptozoology waters as well as other

962
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:32,459
dimensions it's time to take back the

963
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:34,729
night and night

964
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:38,339
now your electrifying hosts of exploring

965
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:41,579
the bizarre Timothy Beckley and Tim

966
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:48,329
Schwartz welcome back to more exploring

967
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:50,819
the bizarre and it's scary story night

968
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:53,579
spooky story night creepy story nights

969
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:56,849
and we're gonna bring we're gonna bring

970
00:49:00,799 --> 00:48:58,890
out Paul Dale Roberts back he's got one

971
00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:00,809
more story for us before we I bring in

972
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:09,869
our next guest so Paul scare us my best

973
00:49:17,179 --> 00:49:11,729
ghost story now I'm gonna give you my

974
00:49:20,419 --> 00:49:17,189
best demon story here I was again a new

975
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:20,429
colonel investigator just you know I was

976
00:49:26,269 --> 00:49:23,670
still green and I got this call and

977
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,279
these two ladies were telling me that

978
00:49:30,259 --> 00:49:28,380
there's a demon that comes around her

979
00:49:32,299 --> 00:49:30,269
house Rauf three o'clock in the morning

980
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:32,309
and it comes in the shape of a black

981
00:49:38,779 --> 00:49:36,689
mass and then actually attacks them so I

982
00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:38,789
was very close to the area and I went

983
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:43,079
over there and as I went over there they

984
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:45,689
were they were very nice Pleasant people

985
00:49:53,479 --> 00:49:49,140
one was in her 60s and the other lady

986
00:49:56,359 --> 00:49:53,489
was her goddaughter in her 30s so I

987
00:50:00,469 --> 00:49:56,369
started interviewing them get the

988
00:50:04,189 --> 00:50:00,479
information what's going on and to my

989
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:04,199
amazement their faces actually seemed

990
00:50:12,019 --> 00:50:07,890
like they were distorting they they from

991
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,029
very nice Pleasant looking women all of

992
00:50:16,299 --> 00:50:13,920
a sudden they started looking kinda

993
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:16,309
cheating yes it was kind of frightening

994
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:21,290
and as I was doing this interview

995
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:23,810
she says that the diamond actually

996
00:50:29,020 --> 00:50:27,620
places information in her head and

997
00:50:31,150 --> 00:50:29,030
images in her head

998
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:31,160
I still look any images and she says

999
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:35,450
there are images of me killing men mind

1000
00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:37,820
you I was the only man in this house

1001
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:39,950
with two women and she's telling me

1002
00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:43,010
about killing him all right I thought

1003
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:45,350
that was kind of odd and I said well how

1004
00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:49,070
do you see yourself killing men she says

1005
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,220
I see myself taking a baseball bat and

1006
00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:54,160
bashing them brains out

1007
00:51:00,100 --> 00:50:57,020
okay well now things are getting kind of

1008
00:51:03,610 --> 00:51:00,110
creepy settle about 15 minutes into the

1009
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:03,620
interview oh I miss one part of it that

1010
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:06,140
they showed me the bite marks at the

1011
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:09,260
demon was doing on them in the bite

1012
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:11,270
marks were on their legs up on their

1013
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:12,890
chest and everything else and I was

1014
00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:14,810
thinking in my head maybe they're doing

1015
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:17,870
this to each other I thought that was

1016
00:51:24,370 --> 00:51:22,250
kind of crazy so anyway um 15 minutes

1017
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:24,380
into the interview after she said that I

1018
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:27,140
look in the living room and a

1019
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:30,410
goddaughter has a baseball bat in her

1020
00:51:39,490 --> 00:51:33,560
hand and she's twirling around and

1021
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:39,500
around with it's crazy laughter and I'm

1022
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:42,140
not afraid of ghosts but I am definitely

1023
00:51:48,190 --> 00:51:45,110
afraid of a 30 year old woman with a

1024
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,200
baseball bat so I I looked at him I said

1025
00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:50,240
you know this is a such a fantastic

1026
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:51,980
story I have to get it out to my

1027
00:51:59,380 --> 00:51:55,280
publisher I said let me get out of here

1028
00:52:01,660 --> 00:51:59,390
and I'll be back they said are you sure

1029
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,670
you're gonna come back I'm positive I

1030
00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:04,160
don't live that far away I got my laptop

1031
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:06,920
and I was so scared I left my cell phone

1032
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:11,090
there and I took off and never to ever

1033
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:13,670
return again and that was like one of my

1034
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:19,130
scariest demon investigations that's

1035
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:34,120
just to say they could use her on the

1036
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:35,030
Dodgers just

1037
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:40,010
about now I didn't want her to play

1038
00:53:03,310 --> 00:52:47,720
baseball with my head keep picky picky

1039
00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:03,320
ball four Ichabod Crane alright well

1040
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:05,120
Paul thank you very much great stories

1041
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:07,910
by the way thank you thank you and happy

1042
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:17,450
now always always good you as well

1043
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:19,700
alright Tim well let's say let's bring

1044
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:22,490
in our next guest now uh Anna Marie

1045
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:29,510
Eliza manalo yeah I always mess that up

1046
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,560
to my auntie she has been on our show

1047
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:40,160
before now Anna Marie is a counselor by

1048
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,050
profession and an aspiring screenwriter

1049
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:44,720
with numerous accolades for science

1050
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:47,510
fiction and horror screenplays which is

1051
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:48,950
one of the reasons we wanted to have her

1052
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:50,750
on tonight and she hopes to get some of

1053
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:52,730
them produced for the screen as they had

1054
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,250
were inspired by her own personal

1055
00:54:02,670 --> 00:53:57,680
experiences as a UFO field investigator

1056
00:54:05,890 --> 00:54:02,680
for MUFON during a brief stint in 2008

1057
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:05,900
2009 and some of her experiences were

1058
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:08,030
adopted for books written by Philip

1059
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:11,000
mantel and Paul Stonehill and I should

1060
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:14,210
also add that her new book portal life

1061
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:17,630
as an experiencer which is written under

1062
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:21,410
her pen name was a delay Roca said I've

1063
00:54:29,290 --> 00:54:26,660
intercepts Rocha Rocha yes yes and is

1064
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:29,300
published by a flying disc press with

1065
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:34,670
four Mantar anna marie thank you very

1066
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:37,100
much for being with us once again on

1067
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:39,050
exploiting the bizarre yeah thank you

1068
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:42,170
for having me back I have to tell you

1069
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:43,790
when you invited me a couple of weeks

1070
00:54:48,490 --> 00:54:45,650
ago I was trying to figure out if I

1071
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:48,500
should sit on the patio or on the deck

1072
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:52,160
but it's unfortunately about 40 35

1073
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:55,490
degrees out there right now no but it

1074
00:54:59,710 --> 00:54:57,170
would have been perfect atmosphere for

1075
00:55:04,330 --> 00:54:59,720
Halloween because the woods is just

1076
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:04,340
maybe 200 feet away from my patio and we

1077
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:06,350
actually had something creepy coming out

1078
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:08,360
of there this morning at 4:00 a.m. that

1079
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:10,910
was screaming like a banshee but I have

1080
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:12,940
no idea what it was

1081
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:15,950
so anyway since it was so cold I'm

1082
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:18,230
sitting here in my basement as I'm

1083
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:19,880
talking to you I'm seeing a spider

1084
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:23,450
walking past me into one of the closets

1085
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:26,840
so you have the perfect atmosphere right

1086
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:31,630
now yes I do all right well okay now

1087
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:35,330
when you were on last time you told us a

1088
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:40,090
story about your father and and and his

1089
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:43,850
experiences so do you want to tell that

1090
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:46,820
story again for those who may not have

1091
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:49,190
heard that one or you know or if you've

1092
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:51,470
got something new that you'd like to

1093
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:56,000
tell us or do both depending on how much

1094
00:56:00,700 --> 00:55:58,250
time we have but I do want to say that

1095
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:00,710
the story about my father and the

1096
00:56:06,550 --> 00:56:04,190
creature that plagued him is part of the

1097
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:06,560
book that is set to be published next

1098
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:09,320
year being that that's one of the major

1099
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:12,530
stories and actually starts you know

1100
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:16,160
shortly after the intro that's a good

1101
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:19,490
lead-in into what I'm going to talk

1102
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,180
about all right what what is an

1103
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:25,280
interesting thing that's distinctly

1104
00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:28,910
different about this story is that it

1105
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:31,880
happens in a very obscure area of the

1106
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:34,970
world not too many people have been to

1107
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:38,720
the Philippines it's situated in the

1108
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:42,620
central part of Asia and this happened

1109
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:46,010
in the early 60s about 20 years after

1110
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:49,250
World War Two to just give the audience

1111
00:56:58,810 --> 00:56:53,390
a context World War two obviously all

1112
00:57:02,360 --> 00:56:58,820
over the world was extremely violent we

1113
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:02,370
were invaded by the Japanese lasted for

1114
00:57:08,780 --> 00:57:05,460
about four or five years and during that

1115
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:08,790
period of time there were massacres all

1116
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:13,170
over the area of Manila in the little

1117
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:16,050
hamlet that is situated about 50 miles

1118
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:19,110
outside of Manila sits a little town

1119
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:24,050
called little Baguio hard to spell but

1120
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:28,020
little Baguio basically is a little

1121
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:32,130
haven of homes and interspersed between

1122
00:57:39,260 --> 00:57:35,910
those homes are new apartments at the

1123
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:39,270
time and what you have to realize is

1124
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:42,900
that it was very quiet back then in the

1125
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,090
60s it's now part of a major metropolis

1126
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:50,880
the my mother and father lived in one of

1127
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:53,220
those apartments it was a garden style

1128
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,760
where you had you know a street and then

1129
00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:58,500
next to the street there was a gate that

1130
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:01,980
opened into a large driveway and there

1131
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:05,400
was a series of apartments that sat side

1132
00:58:12,310 --> 00:58:08,310
by side and they had the driveway as a

1133
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:12,320
common area behind that was a creek and

1134
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:16,980
on the creek sits a series of trees and

1135
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:20,700
they're huge trees at night time it gets

1136
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:25,190
very very quiet you hear crickets

1137
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,200
there's only an occasional person that

1138
00:58:33,590 --> 00:58:30,720
walks by the creek basically what you

1139
00:58:36,790 --> 00:58:33,600
have our occasional homes across the

1140
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:36,800
creek but then it's punctuated by woods

1141
00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:40,650
so it gets very dark out there in the

1142
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:44,100
dead of night one thing people don't

1143
00:58:49,850 --> 00:58:46,020
know is that although the Philippines is

1144
00:58:52,850 --> 00:58:49,860
a tropical island in a joyce a lot of

1145
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:52,860
sunshine but once the dark creeps in

1146
00:59:00,070 --> 00:58:58,110
around 9:00 it becomes pitch dark so in

1147
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:00,080
one of these apartments

1148
00:59:08,420 --> 00:59:03,690
my mother and father settled in there

1149
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:08,430
were newlyweds and within a year or two

1150
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:12,330
I was born and I ended up in a nursery

1151
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:16,170
that was situated between my father's

1152
00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:21,660
then and my parents bedroom they had a

1153
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:25,470
live-in maid who have long hours from

1154
00:59:29,539 --> 00:59:27,569
what I understand that this is back in

1155
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:29,549
the time you know when things were very

1156
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,440
prosperous she lived there near the

1157
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:37,440
kitchen and at night you know she would

1158
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:40,920
go to bed 11:00 my father who was a

1159
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:45,240
writer a full-time writer worked in his

1160
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,490
den right next door to the nursery and

1161
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:49,619
he would always retire there to write

1162
00:59:56,539 --> 00:59:53,700
during the day until well past into

1163
01:00:00,980 --> 00:59:56,549
dinner dinner was served at 8:00 and

1164
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:00,990
then he would come down the steps what

1165
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,390
had started to happen and this is from

1166
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:06,240
what I'm being told the recollections

1167
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:08,190
from family members people who have

1168
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:11,010
witnessed things is that my father was

1169
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:14,010
plagued by a creature that no one else

1170
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:17,430
had seen and it wasn't until I was maybe

1171
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,250
a teenager when I found out details from

1172
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:22,559
my mother that she actually saw this

1173
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:29,220
creature um she had heard him numerous

1174
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:33,480
times calling for her from upstairs one

1175
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:37,380
evening he was upstairs and there was

1176
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:42,930
something at the window the maid did not

1177
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:46,500
see it my mother did not see it but out

1178
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:51,059
of my father's window which is a huge

1179
01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:54,089
window we're talking a span of possibly

1180
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:57,150
even 12 feet from one end of the room

1181
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:02,720
and going past the wall into the nursery

1182
01:01:12,099 --> 01:01:07,049
was a creature that had a wingspan of at

1183
01:01:15,799 --> 01:01:12,109
least more than 10 feet huge back

1184
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:15,809
probably about nine feet tall the head

1185
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:18,960
was obscure until it turned towards him

1186
01:01:30,050 --> 01:01:26,880
and he distinctively heard a very low

1187
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:33,770
and there was no noise in the background

1188
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,180
of crickets disappear you know you would

1189
01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:38,460
usually hear frogs the window is open

1190
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:40,560
except for the screen so you would hear

1191
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:43,590
night sounds which you know in a

1192
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:45,630
tropical country can get very strong

1193
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:48,450
there was nothing it was just this low

1194
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:53,370
distinct humming sound in a very strong

1195
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,660
sense of dread just overcame him and

1196
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:00,000
this thing was looking down at him and

1197
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:04,410
it had the face of a goat it had yellow

1198
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:07,710
eyes and it had the suggestion of horns

1199
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:13,020
at the top of its head several weeks

1200
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:16,080
almost every night he would tell my

1201
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:18,390
mother about this creature it got to the

1202
01:02:23,810 --> 01:02:20,520
point when he started seeking therapy

1203
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:23,820
and then the in-laws got involved his

1204
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,130
own parents got involved but no one saw

1205
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:29,280
this creature but him one night my

1206
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,130
mother walked in just as he was yelling

1207
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:35,040
for her and she came in and we actually

1208
01:02:39,350 --> 01:02:37,950
had a cross because we were Roman

1209
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:39,360
Catholic with the rest of the

1210
01:02:46,070 --> 01:02:43,380
Philippines is 99.9% there was a cross

1211
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:46,080
on the other side of the wall that was

1212
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:48,300
off to the side she grabbed it because

1213
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:52,590
she saw something very dark that was on

1214
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:55,770
the window spread out leaning against

1215
01:03:02,240 --> 01:02:58,050
the window and she came towards it and

1216
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:02,250
my father was moving away and she came

1217
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:04,370
towards the screen and this thing just

1218
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:08,670
folded into itself it was as if it just

1219
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:12,690
kind of ever vest and disappeared down

1220
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:15,720
and you have to remember this is a

1221
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:19,470
second-floor window so whatever this was

1222
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:23,700
had flown up to the second-floor window

1223
01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:32,490
it was hovering so months went by and he

1224
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:35,640
worsened his emotional state worsened he

1225
01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:40,730
became progressively depressed and

1226
01:03:46,780 --> 01:03:43,990
at some point he was being watched

1227
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:46,790
because they were afraid he would do

1228
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:49,010
something to himself he was afraid to

1229
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:53,570
sleep he was afraid that whatever it was

1230
01:04:00,250 --> 01:03:56,650
and this is reflected in his poetry was

1231
01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:00,260
going to go into his dreams and take his

1232
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:06,800
soul when I saw the movie and you guys

1233
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:09,260
are probably familiar with you know

1234
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:13,010
Mothman the original movie the based on

1235
01:04:20,290 --> 01:04:17,359
the book by John keel hm sent shivers up

1236
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:20,300
my spine because it looked very familiar

1237
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:23,210
to me I was told they actually saw it at

1238
01:04:28,060 --> 01:04:26,420
one point when I was still in the

1239
01:04:31,690 --> 01:04:28,070
nursery I'm we're talking I was two

1240
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:31,700
years old you know something very

1241
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:33,410
primeval about it

1242
01:04:41,170 --> 01:04:37,670
something struck a chord I know there's

1243
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:41,180
been sightings in Chicago you know there

1244
01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:43,390
was a book written by lon Strickler

1245
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:46,460
about this and it's uncanny how similar

1246
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:50,390
it is but what is interesting about this

1247
01:04:59,079 --> 01:04:53,420
is that it responded to a religious

1248
01:05:03,400 --> 01:04:59,089
symbol by folding into itself and no one

1249
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:03,410
saw it fly away the maid was in the room

1250
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:07,190
at that time and my mother was standing

1251
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:10,160
by the window she can see or hear

1252
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:14,510
anything fly away whatever it was to me

1253
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:21,680
in my opinion it was interdimensional so

1254
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:25,490
now when when your father was seeing

1255
01:05:33,069 --> 01:05:30,230
this at the window at the same time and

1256
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:33,079
it was was your you know your mother or

1257
01:05:36,970 --> 01:05:34,910
the maid or both trying to see it as

1258
01:05:39,220 --> 01:05:36,980
well and they couldn't see it or was it

1259
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:39,230
a situation where by the time they would

1260
01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:41,569
get in there it would be gone by the

1261
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:44,150
time they got in there it was gone it

1262
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:46,910
was just that one time

1263
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:49,400
and in a number of months had already

1264
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:51,140
passed several months

1265
01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:52,790
that already passed my father was

1266
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:55,340
already on medication by this point he

1267
01:06:01,900 --> 01:05:56,950
was really thinking he was hallucinating

1268
01:06:04,420 --> 01:06:01,910
and you know my my grandfather who is a

1269
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:04,430
medical doctor was very pragmatic about

1270
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:05,930
the whole thing he says those those

1271
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:07,250
things don't exist

1272
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:10,940
etc etc you know we need facts etc and

1273
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:13,310
really even his family didn't believe in

1274
01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:15,530
it until my mother happened to walk in

1275
01:06:23,170 --> 01:06:18,950
at the right time there was a very

1276
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:23,180
strong sense of Menace foreboding but

1277
01:06:31,710 --> 01:06:28,370
she clearly saw its face and she clearly

1278
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:31,720
saw this thing with its leathery wings

1279
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:36,830
fold over and cower when she approached

1280
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:39,890
it with a cross and then you know we're

1281
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:41,900
not talking she's charging like Darth

1282
01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:43,690
Vader by any nature

1283
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:47,420
shivering shaking trying to get rid of

1284
01:06:56,770 --> 01:06:52,400
whatever it was and I think at that

1285
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:56,780
point the maid left the room and then

1286
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:00,160
resigned the next day mm-hmm

1287
01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:07,280
because you know her yeah yeah so a lot

1288
01:07:11,830 --> 01:07:09,080
of things have happened in this country

1289
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:11,840
and one of the things I talk about in

1290
01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:13,640
the book and there's about 50 stories in

1291
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:16,190
the book not all revolved around this

1292
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:19,730
but it's chronological order there's

1293
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,090
also UFO sightings I don't know if I

1294
01:07:26,980 --> 01:07:25,280
have time to talk about that please do

1295
01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:26,990
yeah yeah you've got we got about five

1296
01:07:35,410 --> 01:07:32,270
minutes here after we moved and this is

1297
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:35,420
like the skinwalker ranch of the Asian

1298
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:40,070
Basin here about maybe six blocks away

1299
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:43,130
was my grandmother's house my

1300
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:45,710
grandmother's house was built after the

1301
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:48,800
war and to just give you a context it

1302
01:07:54,610 --> 01:07:52,070
was actually built by mistake on top of

1303
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:54,620
ground where Japanese soldiers at passed

1304
01:08:00,850 --> 01:07:58,220
away but the story that I'm going to

1305
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:00,860
tell next just for a few minutes here I

1306
01:08:05,019 --> 01:08:04,280
know we have to end is about a sighting

1307
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:05,029
that she had

1308
01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:08,569
that was totally unexpected she was in

1309
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:11,689
her bedroom and as homes go over there

1310
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:16,849
there was a like a huge overhang over

1311
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:19,940
the bedroom which kind of serves as a

1312
01:08:24,669 --> 01:08:22,489
way of shielding the son from coming

1313
01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:24,679
into the windows since it's a tropical

1314
01:08:31,299 --> 01:08:29,150
country so the roof hangs well over the

1315
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:31,309
second floor of the homes and this was

1316
01:08:35,979 --> 01:08:34,400
the situation in the bedroom that my

1317
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:35,989
grandmother had and she was just

1318
01:08:42,189 --> 01:08:39,440
retiring when she suddenly saw the

1319
01:08:44,289 --> 01:08:42,199
entire night sky brighten up and this

1320
01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:44,299
was about probably 1 o'clock in the

1321
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:47,079
morning she used to go to bed very late

1322
01:08:53,019 --> 01:08:50,900
she leaned over the windowsill and the

1323
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:53,029
window sills are such that you could

1324
01:08:56,979 --> 01:08:55,130
actually climb over and sit on them

1325
01:09:00,519 --> 01:08:56,989
because she was very curious what was

1326
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:00,529
making this very intense light shine

1327
01:09:06,579 --> 01:09:03,380
down and it shined down all the way into

1328
01:09:10,329 --> 01:09:06,589
the ground of the house and she tried to

1329
01:09:13,089 --> 01:09:10,339
peer over the corner of it suddenly she

1330
01:09:15,249 --> 01:09:13,099
found herself sleeping in bed and it was

1331
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:15,259
already morning so she had in effect

1332
01:09:22,209 --> 01:09:19,759
what we would call missing time she woke

1333
01:09:24,249 --> 01:09:22,219
up later than usual she emerged out of

1334
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:24,259
the room and her oldest daughter

1335
01:09:28,299 --> 01:09:25,940
encountered her in the hall and said

1336
01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:28,309
what happened to you she said what do

1337
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:32,750
you mean he had second-degree burns all

1338
01:09:40,809 --> 01:09:37,909
over her face he ended up in the

1339
01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:40,819
emergency room trying to figure out why

1340
01:09:46,930 --> 01:09:44,150
she was nauseous she was dizzy and she

1341
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:46,940
was told she hadn't been exposed to

1342
01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:52,400
radiation so that's um you know that's

1343
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:56,869
more of an UFO nature obviously we we

1344
01:10:04,959 --> 01:09:59,980
had quite a number of sightings we had

1345
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:04,969
red orbs and you would see them in the

1346
01:10:08,589 --> 01:10:05,690
backyard

1347
01:10:12,970 --> 01:10:08,599
you would see them probably less than

1348
01:10:15,819 --> 01:10:12,980
500 feet in the night sky no one knew

1349
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:15,829
what they were it didn't matter where

1350
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:16,610
you lived

1351
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,090
I had cousin

1352
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:20,219
that live way down south and they also

1353
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:24,840
saw them you know people would try and

1354
01:10:31,609 --> 01:10:26,580
take a picture of them and they would

1355
01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:31,619
move very quickly we also had sightings

1356
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:33,989
in the backyard of certain creatures we

1357
01:10:37,939 --> 01:10:36,060
had no idea what they were but they were

1358
01:10:41,180 --> 01:10:37,949
darkest night probably called them

1359
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:41,190
shadow people there was an incident

1360
01:10:47,419 --> 01:10:43,409
where we had several cats in the

1361
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:47,429
backyard and one of my aunts went out

1362
01:10:53,979 --> 01:10:50,040
there in the back this is also in the

1363
01:10:59,629 --> 01:10:53,989
book and there was a man standing there

1364
01:11:01,939 --> 01:10:59,639
that had red eyes all right well we're

1365
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:01,949
gonna have to end this segment of the

1366
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:03,270
program so once you let our audience

1367
01:11:06,370 --> 01:11:05,580
know the title of your book and when

1368
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:06,380
we'll be released

1369
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:11,400
okay portal and it's actually I changed

1370
01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:13,830
it a little bit portal a lifetime of

1371
01:11:21,109 --> 01:11:17,219
paranormal experiences and it's set to

1372
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:21,119
be published sometime early 2019

1373
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:24,780
by flying discs presque and I wanted to

1374
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:26,670
say thank you to Philip mantle who is

1375
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:29,460
the editor and publisher very good very

1376
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,739
good publisher he's been putting out

1377
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:33,840
some really good books lately

1378
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:37,440
we had the Charlie Parker on the other

1379
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:39,480
show a couple weeks ago and of course he

1380
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:42,900
did that and I need we need to go to our

1381
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:45,239
break thank you we'll be right back now

1382
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:48,750
back to exploring the bizarre with two

1383
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:51,090
of the most electrifying researchers in

1384
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:51,900
the paranoid

1385
01:12:03,050 --> 01:11:58,920
your hosts Timothy Becca Lee panting Tim

1386
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:03,060
look look III know we've had some spooky

1387
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:04,770
stories tonight but come out from

1388
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:06,360
underneath the bed they haven't been

1389
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:07,520
that scary

1390
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:10,650
well hey you don't know who I'm under

1391
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,390
I'm under here with stormy and anywhere

1392
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:23,640
for me to to move and I kind of like it

1393
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:28,020
yeah okay listen carefully this is Allan

1394
01:12:33,460 --> 01:12:30,810
Greenfield okay and I am a well-known

1395
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:33,470
researcher of something or other look

1396
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:36,840
beyond stormy and on the other side if

1397
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:41,880
you see an orange orangutan with with a

1398
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:45,810
suit on and very very funny hair even

1399
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:49,380
for the rain could possibly could

1400
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:52,440
possibly be so let me let me scurry out

1401
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:56,640
from under here and and join the the

1402
01:13:03,500 --> 01:12:59,190
upper earth crowd instead of the Inner

1403
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:03,510
Earth say good night

1404
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:05,910
good night stormy good night mr.

1405
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:06,600
president

1406
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:08,520
whoops I didn't mean to say that on the

1407
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:10,850
air I'm so sorry

1408
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:13,170
you're more you're more than welcome

1409
01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:16,770
you're more than welcome to but Alan we

1410
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:20,060
haven't we haven't spoken in a while

1411
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:25,980
that's true though always your program

1412
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:33,680
because it's well feels for money so

1413
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:36,120
somebody said I was ruining my

1414
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:38,520
reputation by being on a certain

1415
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:41,130
person's a show and I figured my

1416
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:43,500
reputation is over he's a shot to hell

1417
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:46,500
in a handbag anyway and I don't see what

1418
01:13:51,130 --> 01:13:49,140
that has to do really with anything your

1419
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:51,140
reputation is stellar

1420
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:55,860
well that is way way up there now I want

1421
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:57,810
to know I know we've spent a Christmas

1422
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:00,360
Eve together and Brown Mountain North

1423
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:02,930
Carolina but have we ever spent

1424
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:05,530
Halloween together

1425
01:14:10,830 --> 01:14:08,410
you know I don't think we have the

1426
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:10,840
interesting thing though is that on the

1427
01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:13,090
Brown Mountain trip was it which was in

1428
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:17,860
what 1969 I believe for that even it was

1429
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:20,730
pretty early on well that that was

1430
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:23,380
occasioned you will recall that we were

1431
01:14:29,190 --> 01:14:26,290
with Jim Mosely and or little Betty who

1432
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,200
was spending Christmas Eve on top of a

1433
01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:32,560
mountain on a icy road which oh I see

1434
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,180
broad we're lucky we got out of there

1435
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:37,840
alive I mean talk about picking the

1436
01:14:45,540 --> 01:14:41,410
wrong time of the year to hit the top of

1437
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:45,550
a brown mountain still we saw the ghost

1438
01:14:49,710 --> 01:14:47,860
lights or at least I know well something

1439
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:49,720
something something on the side of the

1440
01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:51,880
road I don't know I don't know what it

1441
01:14:56,850 --> 01:14:54,820
could have been because unless somebody

1442
01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:56,860
was down there in a ditch trying to get

1443
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:00,100
out maybe a prospector from 100 ghost of

1444
01:15:18,810 --> 01:15:15,060
I was just going to say yeah it was

1445
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:18,820
Ralph whale yes it was Ralph Whelan he

1446
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:21,490
did tell us that what we were seeing

1447
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:24,270
were the lights of the aliens from the

1448
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:27,280
refugees actually before the wall was

1449
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:30,520
built from the prep but Planet P WOM who

1450
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:32,590
had moved to Venus and of course Venus

1451
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:34,840
is a hot planet so no one wears any

1452
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,030
clothes there but he would know because

1453
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:39,600
he went down underground Mountain and

1454
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:43,210
then they took him to Venus to visit

1455
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:48,130
with the people army and refugees yes

1456
01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:52,270
they were from p1 and and I don't know

1457
01:16:00,660 --> 01:15:56,020
anybody else who's ever been there well

1458
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:00,670
not Earthlings no but you know usually

1459
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:04,000
usually these are the people here with

1460
01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:06,310
their different destinations going on

1461
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:07,900
board to spaceship you know they go to

1462
01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:12,880
the Clarion or the Lydian planets or or

1463
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:28,820
you know that now we know we know

1464
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:32,610
they're naked on laniel oh well yeah but

1465
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:34,350
that's a that's a different story many

1466
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:38,010
people have been to landless mostly from

1467
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,620
West Virginia and mostly after they've

1468
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:43,920
had a long night out and a man too long

1469
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:48,600
without sleep you know possibly so but

1470
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:51,449
the reason the reason we were on that

1471
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:54,330
trip is because Jim and I and a third

1472
01:16:59,360 --> 01:16:56,610
party that probably since he's a private

1473
01:17:02,060 --> 01:16:59,370
person will remain nameless the year

1474
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,070
before that I had been reading about st.

1475
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:04,320
Simons Island Georgia which is saturated

1476
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,810
with ghost stories it's filthy with them

1477
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,360
it's it's a filthy Island anyway but

1478
01:17:15,010 --> 01:17:11,760
that's not not important the important

1479
01:17:19,450 --> 01:17:15,020
thing is that Christ's Church a an

1480
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:19,460
Anglican Church until very recently it

1481
01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:22,050
fell in line and became an Episcopal

1482
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,790
Church which is the same thing only

1483
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,920
after the American Revolution they were

1484
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:27,960
sort of concerned about being part of

1485
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:32,060
the English State Church anyway their

1486
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:35,910
their graveyard is among the places that

1487
01:17:40,939 --> 01:17:38,940
were rumored to be haunted so Jim and I

1488
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,949
had you know I told him well there are

1489
01:17:45,260 --> 01:17:43,440
lots of witnesses and why don't we go

1490
01:17:47,979 --> 01:17:45,270
down and look at that and three or four

1491
01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:47,989
of the other places where people see

1492
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,820
spirits and we did that was that was I'm

1493
01:17:57,170 --> 01:17:54,000
almost certain 1968 because 67 was a

1494
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:57,180
very busy year for all of us in New York

1495
01:18:02,890 --> 01:18:00,239
at the late Commodore hotel torn bow

1496
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:02,900
down by the man under your bed

1497
01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:07,020
that's true yes it is and I hope you

1498
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:09,750
stays under there I hope he stays under

1499
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:12,570
the ruins of the Commodore but that's

1500
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:14,940
not important what's important is when

1501
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:18,320
we went down there for the 14th time

1502
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:21,960
once he antagonized the local police Jim

1503
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:24,690
said well sir we're ghost hunters you

1504
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:28,610
see and the cop said Wow

1505
01:18:33,490 --> 01:18:31,130
you know we had some people down here

1506
01:18:35,859 --> 01:18:33,500
walking through the graveyard a couple

1507
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:35,869
of years ago he was a Bible salesman

1508
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:39,170
and he was mistaken for a thief and they

1509
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:43,730
shot him and Jim seemed to not take it

1510
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:46,730
as a warning I know the local dialect

1511
01:18:55,060 --> 01:18:50,449
and the translation is get out I hear

1512
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:55,070
you Yankee you know what so I explained

1513
01:19:02,410 --> 01:18:58,130
to Jim after the officer of the local

1514
01:19:04,270 --> 01:19:02,420
law left that he had sealed our fate but

1515
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:04,280
it didn't matter we went and visited the

1516
01:19:12,220 --> 01:19:07,010
priest and he was very hostile and then

1517
01:19:17,020 --> 01:19:12,230
after dark we went to first to bloody

1518
01:19:22,419 --> 01:19:17,030
Marsh which is said did you tell us when

1519
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:22,429
this was yeah 19 the year before it had

1520
01:19:29,470 --> 01:19:26,510
to be 1968 because we are pretty sure we

1521
01:19:37,899 --> 01:19:29,480
visited subsequently we even discussed

1522
01:19:40,330 --> 01:19:37,909
it you joined our party or we join I

1523
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,340
know I know it's in the the photograph

1524
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:42,800
was originally published I believe in

1525
01:19:47,950 --> 01:19:45,050
saucer news but when grey Barker was

1526
01:19:49,930 --> 01:19:47,960
editing it I believe absolutely that's

1527
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:49,940
the first place

1528
01:19:55,419 --> 01:19:52,310
although the negative was sent to

1529
01:19:57,550 --> 01:19:55,429
Eastman Kodak in Rochester New York -

1530
01:20:00,430 --> 01:19:57,560
they have a person that analyzes

1531
01:20:02,620 --> 01:20:00,440
anomalous photos and they could not

1532
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:02,630
figure out what it was that I taken a

1533
01:20:08,649 --> 01:20:05,150
picture of but you're spoiling my

1534
01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:08,659
punchline when we get there because Jim

1535
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:10,670
kept saying well I'm a psychic negative

1536
01:20:14,050 --> 01:20:12,409
nothing will happen around me and we

1537
01:20:16,930 --> 01:20:14,060
were wandering through the graveyard and

1538
01:20:18,970 --> 01:20:16,940
Jim who had a lot of experiences with

1539
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:18,980
graveyards

1540
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:22,730
even then said you can tell its people

1541
01:20:27,609 --> 01:20:24,710
are buried here because the ground is

1542
01:20:29,379 --> 01:20:27,619
soft and I thought I need to wander away

1543
01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:29,389
from Jim and the other guy that was

1544
01:20:35,709 --> 01:20:32,150
there because otherwise ain't gonna see

1545
01:20:38,109 --> 01:20:35,719
nothing and I went over on the the

1546
01:20:41,290 --> 01:20:38,119
graveyard to the side of the church

1547
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:41,300
and they were it was a Wednesday night

1548
01:20:45,609 --> 01:20:44,329
so there was a light on in the back of

1549
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:45,619
the church they were probably having

1550
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:48,880
Wednesday night prayer meeting or

1551
01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:52,040
rehearsing the the chorus or whatever

1552
01:20:59,890 --> 01:20:57,409
you know and suddenly I got a just a

1553
01:21:03,520 --> 01:20:59,900
feeling I had a 35-millimeter camera

1554
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:03,530
with me same wind that I photographed a

1555
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:07,690
man in black with a year or so later but

1556
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:11,719
she could j.7 as I recall and I was

1557
01:21:18,189 --> 01:21:15,170
using as a special kind of film

1558
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:18,199
surveillance film so it was not quite

1559
01:21:24,729 --> 01:21:20,510
what you would would be able to do today

1560
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:24,739
but it still if I did a slow exposure it

1561
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:27,860
was anyway all of a sudden I got this I

1562
01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:30,020
don't know what you call it maybe a

1563
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:32,360
message it was not verbal but it was a

1564
01:21:39,339 --> 01:21:36,409
feeling snap the picture now so there

1565
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:39,349
was nothing to see except the window of

1566
01:21:44,049 --> 01:21:41,270
the church and I snapped the picture and

1567
01:21:46,540 --> 01:21:44,059
on the left of it is the window of the

1568
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,550
church to show that it wasn't jiggly or

1569
01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:48,800
anything and on the right is this

1570
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:53,630
ghostly decomposing figure which after

1571
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:57,650
it was analyzed both by by Eastman Kodak

1572
01:22:05,069 --> 01:22:02,239
and later by by a friend of mine who

1573
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:05,079
happened to be a colonel in the KGB and

1574
01:22:11,919 --> 01:22:07,730
sort of did it as an acapella thing in

1575
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:11,929
their photo lab after after dark so and

1576
01:22:19,149 --> 01:22:16,400
they both had no idea what you know what

1577
01:22:21,939 --> 01:22:19,159
this was but to me it looks like a

1578
01:22:26,859 --> 01:22:21,949
decomposing face consistent with the way

1579
01:22:30,879 --> 01:22:26,869
the the the apparition is described

1580
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:30,889
which is the deceased wife of the one of

1581
01:22:37,299 --> 01:22:34,760
the priests of the church going back to

1582
01:22:44,370 --> 01:22:37,309
the 1870s which is when it started to

1583
01:22:48,430 --> 01:22:44,380
appear and it is a horrifying face but

1584
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,440
to this day it's unidentified so I'm not

1585
01:22:53,470 --> 01:22:51,440
claiming it was a spirit or something

1586
01:22:54,820 --> 01:22:53,480
that spoke to me to take the picture or

1587
01:22:57,250 --> 01:22:54,830
anything else

1588
01:22:58,750 --> 01:22:57,260
we'll say it's very weird not the

1589
01:23:01,600 --> 01:22:58,760
weirdest thing that's ever happened to

1590
01:23:03,190 --> 01:23:01,610
me that it was very weird and it was a

1591
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:03,200
result of that trip that we wound up

1592
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:05,450
going to Brown Mountain because Jim and

1593
01:23:11,950 --> 01:23:08,950
I had a lot of time to talk after that

1594
01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:11,960
let me ask you Alan what is your your

1595
01:23:21,490 --> 01:23:14,840
feeling on ghosts in in the spirits

1596
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:21,500
I am virtually certain that ghosts

1597
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:25,120
exists now whether they represent the

1598
01:23:32,140 --> 01:23:29,750
the living spirits of the deceased or

1599
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:32,150
whether they are beings from another

1600
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:34,130
dimension that we take to be the

1601
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:38,290
deceased or whether they're kind of like

1602
01:23:46,210 --> 01:23:43,130
so to speak a videotape imprinted on on

1603
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:46,220
reality in certain locations that keeps

1604
01:23:51,460 --> 01:23:48,110
repeating that's a more difficult

1605
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:51,470
question but I have read thousands of

1606
01:23:57,820 --> 01:23:55,520
cases I take no interest in those that

1607
01:24:07,530 --> 01:23:57,830
are anecdotal you know the Hans Holzer

1608
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:07,540
type things or pronounced his name it's

1609
01:24:15,340 --> 01:24:10,610
Hosea you know he was a prophet in its

1610
01:24:17,260 --> 01:24:15,350
own time he was he I was going to say he

1611
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:17,270
was the first at least he was kind of

1612
01:24:23,290 --> 01:24:19,970
the first in the the US I mean he was

1613
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:23,300
the original a ghost hunter here I guess

1614
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:26,330
in England he would have had a few more

1615
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:29,270
like Harry price and maybe in that

1616
01:24:35,020 --> 01:24:32,330
category but certainly more of a

1617
01:24:37,210 --> 01:24:35,030
parapsychologist than a ghost center

1618
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:37,220
would have been and/or Fodor who's one

1619
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:39,890
of my favorite you know authors from I

1620
01:24:47,230 --> 01:24:42,050
guess the 50s and 60s

1621
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:47,240
yeah but Fodor gave his sources holster

1622
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:48,890
to the best of my knowledge even that

1623
01:24:55,380 --> 01:24:52,610
big book on ghost called goes oh yes it

1624
01:24:57,730 --> 01:24:55,390
does not give sources and that's

1625
01:24:59,770 --> 01:24:57,740
unfortunate because then you don't know

1626
01:25:03,760 --> 01:24:59,780
it's like reading Frank Edwards you know

1627
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:03,770
terrific stories but you really the few

1628
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:06,410
you can run down sort of are like ghosts

1629
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:08,670
they disappear are close

1630
01:25:16,669 --> 01:25:11,130
inspection however the movie like the

1631
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:16,679
the floating coffins now I've been to

1632
01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:20,750
the floating coffins man that's for real

1633
01:25:30,650 --> 01:25:27,060
yes Beto's you're talking became the

1634
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:30,660
latest person to be interred in that

1635
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:33,840
particular the chase vault it's called

1636
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,489
because it was named for the chase

1637
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,280
family they took that after the 17th

1638
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:41,040
incident of these huge lead coffins

1639
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:42,780
being tossed around every time they

1640
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:45,510
unsealed it to bury another member of

1641
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:47,130
the chase family they were tossed around

1642
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,730
like you know they had been a an

1643
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:52,560
earthquake only there had been no

1644
01:25:57,380 --> 01:25:54,449
evidence of an earthquake anywhere but

1645
01:26:00,380 --> 01:25:57,390
in this fall but I went down in there

1646
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:00,390
and by then wife wife number two I

1647
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:03,179
believe it was took my picture and then

1648
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:05,730
she said later uh you know while you

1649
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:07,320
were squatting down there so that I

1650
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:10,290
could take a picture down into the vault

1651
01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:13,530
there was a snake between your legs and

1652
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:15,800
I thought oh I bet you I've heard that

1653
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:23,730
yeah well it was true maybe that's why

1654
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:25,410
she was what that's why she was wife

1655
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:35,610
number two because of the snake it's

1656
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:37,650
Halloween it's Halloween we can tell

1657
01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:41,520
long long tails or wear long tails or if

1658
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:44,360
I had to go wouldn't it have been great

1659
01:26:49,130 --> 01:26:47,580
to sort of make a footnote in the

1660
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:49,140
history of the chase there you go

1661
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:52,110
Barbados I got bitten by a poisonous

1662
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:57,480
snake and expose taken showing my

1663
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:02,280
foaming corpse and they go well it's

1664
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:04,260
destiny and they seal it up and then

1665
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:07,410
three years later they find my coffin

1666
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:10,860
rolling around and you're gone and I'm

1667
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:16,110
gone yes resurrect resurrected yeah so

1668
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:17,730
anyway that the long and short of it is

1669
01:27:22,459 --> 01:27:21,030
I listen to the you know the really

1670
01:27:24,919 --> 01:27:22,469
serious scientific

1671
01:27:27,049 --> 01:27:24,929
searchers that have investigated ghost

1672
01:27:29,029 --> 01:27:27,059
cases and my feeling is they're

1673
01:27:31,219 --> 01:27:29,039
perfectly real and they're some of them

1674
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:31,229
are sort of replays of things that

1675
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:34,010
happen but there's interaction with a

1676
01:27:39,109 --> 01:27:37,289
minority of cases they indicate to me

1677
01:27:43,609 --> 01:27:39,119
they are actually the spirits of the

1678
01:27:46,669 --> 01:27:43,619
dead so I buy into ghosts into

1679
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:46,679
reincarnation and into a couple of other

1680
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:50,210
things along similar lines not based on

1681
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:55,380
on fantasy or on wishes or on oral

1682
01:28:01,399 --> 01:27:57,690
anecdotal accounts but based on pretty

1683
01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:01,409
hard scientific evidence hmm well good

1684
01:28:09,049 --> 01:28:05,190
good that's glad to hear that so any

1685
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:09,059
edium or a recent ghost stories more

1686
01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:13,800
recent those stories yes I have first of

1687
01:28:18,620 --> 01:28:15,659
all I let me do a little disclaimer

1688
01:28:21,009 --> 01:28:18,630
considering my general reputation as

1689
01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:21,019
being in the world of the high weird

1690
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:23,639
stuff sort of like your reputation

1691
01:28:30,589 --> 01:28:28,289
actually but that I have never seen that

1692
01:28:34,549 --> 01:28:30,599
UFO at least not anything that I wasn't

1693
01:28:39,589 --> 01:28:34,559
able to identify once I you know nor

1694
01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:39,599
have I had any spirit communications or

1695
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:42,030
you know anything that was sort of over

1696
01:28:47,509 --> 01:28:46,110
the line into the la-la world or you

1697
01:28:49,489 --> 01:28:47,519
know I'm not saying that all those

1698
01:28:51,950 --> 01:28:49,499
stories are untrue I'm just saying I

1699
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:51,960
haven't had experiences personally that

1700
01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:53,940
sort of investigated a lot but I haven't

1701
01:29:04,489 --> 01:28:58,440
been a an experiencer to quote one of

1702
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:04,499
your guests terms but I came pretty

1703
01:29:09,489 --> 01:29:07,800
close once and it scared the bejesus out

1704
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:09,499
of me

1705
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:12,210
some people will say it was suggestion

1706
01:29:16,819 --> 01:29:14,699
but I can assure you for reasons that I

1707
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:16,829
will go into momentarily here if I have

1708
01:29:27,049 --> 01:29:19,110
time to do this I think I just have time

1709
01:29:30,529 --> 01:29:27,059
for this one more story okay

1710
01:29:33,649 --> 01:29:30,539
you've talked me into it but seriously I

1711
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:33,659
was watching a program an old program a

1712
01:29:36,020 --> 01:29:35,460
repeat of an old program called the

1713
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:36,030
stately

1714
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:38,910
dose of England which you may have heard

1715
01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:42,630
of or even seen it has some actual

1716
01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:46,260
footage of a ghost and a lot of really

1717
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:48,870
silly interviews but anyway I was

1718
01:29:56,540 --> 01:29:51,900
watching it in rapt attention and

1719
01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:56,550
suddenly from the kitchen of my home at

1720
01:30:04,790 --> 01:29:58,620
that time about a mile from where I sit

1721
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,800
right now I I heard a banshee wail I

1722
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:06,960
know of no other real good way to

1723
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:11,100
describe it it was loud it was clear and

1724
01:30:21,970 --> 01:30:13,890
there was no one in that room nor North

1725
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:21,980
could there have been and it would and I

1726
01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:27,210
freaked you know younger and less

1727
01:30:33,620 --> 01:30:29,070
professional but I should have been able

1728
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:33,630
to go I ran I said every prayer that I

1729
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:37,050
knew to every deity that I could think

1730
01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:39,780
of I was scared my heart was pounding I

1731
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:42,630
was like I was in that alert state where

1732
01:30:48,650 --> 01:30:45,410
clearly I had not been you know a

1733
01:30:52,130 --> 01:30:48,660
falling into a how what do they call

1734
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:52,140
them the high hypnagogic hallucination

1735
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:54,090
of you know falling asleep on the

1736
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:56,760
program or something finally I got my

1737
01:31:00,620 --> 01:30:58,620
courage up and then I was very curious

1738
01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:00,630
about this program because I wanted to

1739
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:03,420
see the I think I may have been

1740
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:06,480
recording it so I go back in the room I

1741
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:09,270
sit back down but I'm still uneasy and

1742
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:12,570
I'm still on high alert and it did it

1743
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:19,320
again just this wailing spooky one-time

1744
01:31:24,670 --> 01:31:22,710
sound never happened before never

1745
01:31:27,380 --> 01:31:24,680
happened again but on those two

1746
01:31:30,620 --> 01:31:27,390
occasions only a couple of minutes apart

1747
01:31:34,190 --> 01:31:30,630
the second one being no doubt about it I

1748
01:31:37,940 --> 01:31:34,200
was on fight-or-flight level a drill

1749
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:37,950
adrenal flux so if it was hallucinatory

1750
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:41,040
it was a very dramatic one

1751
01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:42,650
I don't believe it was an auditory

1752
01:31:47,290 --> 01:31:46,200
hallucination I think it was something

1753
01:31:49,989 --> 01:31:47,300
supernatural

1754
01:31:52,899 --> 01:31:49,999
I never got an explanation for it I went

1755
01:31:59,459 --> 01:31:52,909
through all of the the rational

1756
01:32:02,109 --> 01:31:59,469
possibilities for it and it Prasad a

1757
01:32:04,209 --> 01:32:02,119
tragic event in my family's life

1758
01:32:06,370 --> 01:32:04,219
although I'm not saying they were

1759
01:32:09,370 --> 01:32:06,380
necessarily connected but of course in

1760
01:32:14,859 --> 01:32:09,380
the Irish myths a banshee needs a death

1761
01:32:21,879 --> 01:32:14,869
in the family well I've never heard the

1762
01:32:24,910 --> 01:32:21,889
cry of a banshee indeed but I hear that

1763
01:32:28,660 --> 01:32:24,920
is nothing else like it except perhaps

1764
01:32:30,580 --> 01:32:28,670
the wail of a chupacabra yeah that I

1765
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:30,590
think that would be similar but I doubt

1766
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:41,649
said they used to go under the sink

1767
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:44,480
aye I'm sure they were well John keel

1768
01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:46,130
has been in my kitchen but I can

1769
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:48,260
guarantee you that he was not there at

1770
01:32:54,069 --> 01:32:50,900
that time I mean you know two o'clock in

1771
01:32:55,649 --> 01:32:54,079
the morning isn't so are you are you

1772
01:33:00,939 --> 01:32:55,659
trick-or-treating this year

1773
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:00,949
no and I live in a building now with the

1774
01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:04,159
name the Jewish Tower some people call

1775
01:33:09,220 --> 01:33:06,409
it an old folks home it's not that old

1776
01:33:11,589 --> 01:33:09,230
folks home is across the street it's a

1777
01:33:13,930 --> 01:33:11,599
block from the house I grew up in which

1778
01:33:15,310 --> 01:33:13,940
is truly bizarre you know I mean I

1779
01:33:17,739 --> 01:33:15,320
didn't plan it that way they'd even know

1780
01:33:20,799 --> 01:33:17,749
it was Lucy I literally can walk to the

1781
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:20,809
house I grew up in I think you've been

1782
01:33:28,540 --> 01:33:25,130
there ten haven't you yeah yeah here's

1783
01:33:30,339 --> 01:33:28,550
my goodness I yeah yes yes I went to

1784
01:33:32,620 --> 01:33:30,349
your I believe you had an office one

1785
01:33:35,229 --> 01:33:32,630
time to that I visited yes I had an

1786
01:33:37,810 --> 01:33:35,239
office in a place that no longer exists

1787
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:37,820
at all it's spooky how Atlanta has

1788
01:33:44,379 --> 01:33:40,880
changed since it went from the Six

1789
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:44,389
Million I bet well you know Alan Alan we

1790
01:33:51,879 --> 01:33:48,050
are running out of time and I do want to

1791
01:34:00,669 --> 01:33:51,889
allow you to push something I mean other

1792
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:00,679
than me or stormy so it's being under

1793
01:34:11,209 --> 01:34:06,829
well it's fake its fake its fake news

1794
01:34:15,259 --> 01:34:11,219
fake okay well I'm going to push the new

1795
01:34:17,569 --> 01:34:15,269
revised and expanded version of my

1796
01:34:19,489 --> 01:34:17,579
recent book which I wasn't happy with

1797
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:19,499
the way it was originally so I went to

1798
01:34:24,679 --> 01:34:21,089
the publishers and did a lot of it you

1799
01:34:26,449 --> 01:34:24,689
know revisions and it should be out

1800
01:34:29,329 --> 01:34:26,459
before the end of the year please God

1801
01:34:31,609 --> 01:34:29,339
it's called God never does the same

1802
01:34:33,259 --> 01:34:31,619
thing twice although apparently this

1803
01:34:35,509 --> 01:34:33,269
book it's published twice but that's

1804
01:34:38,810 --> 01:34:35,519
it's a book it's not a thing

1805
01:34:40,969 --> 01:34:38,820
well very good I think it's the best

1806
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:40,979
thing that I've put together in a very

1807
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:43,679
long time so I urge everybody to you

1808
01:34:49,759 --> 01:34:46,050
know the useless usual distributors have

1809
01:34:51,379 --> 01:34:49,769
it so please buy it I need the money we

1810
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:51,389
will have you up we will have you back

1811
01:34:57,529 --> 01:34:53,760
on when the book is out and of course

1812
01:35:03,949 --> 01:34:57,539
you contributed to screwed by the aliens

1813
01:35:06,829 --> 01:35:03,959
yes I hope it's selling because it's a

1814
01:35:10,399 --> 01:35:06,839
good book right and it's doing very well

1815
01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:10,409
as I'm surprised as a book on Kindle and

1816
01:35:15,469 --> 01:35:13,169
and and fairly well as a print book it's

1817
01:35:17,899 --> 01:35:15,479
a may be a little expensive for some

1818
01:35:19,969 --> 01:35:17,909
people but a time we made a little money

1819
01:35:22,839 --> 01:35:19,979
we are you know up there in years now

1820
01:35:33,469 --> 01:35:22,849
and we got to pay a doctor's bills and

1821
01:35:35,959 --> 01:35:33,479
everything everything else and I don't

1822
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:35,969
think any viagra anyway good night one

1823
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,699
and all and thank you all our guests

1824
01:35:43,369 --> 01:35:40,320
this evening and happy Halloween

1825
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:43,379
temperaments out there in Gary Indiana

1826
01:35:50,490 --> 01:35:54,620
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1827
01:36:01,439 --> 01:35:57,479
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1828
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:01,449
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1829
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1830
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1831
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1832
01:36:16,489 --> 01:36:14,019
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1833
01:36:20,970 --> 01:36:16,499
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1834
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1835
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1836
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1837
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1838
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